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Professionalism, Now With Less Exit Fate
author=Fallen-Griever link=topic=3159.msg62322#msg62322 date=1234884847Psychology is not just some "silly thing."
As a chemist, I feel I must dispute this point, as Psychology is possibly one of the silliest things to ever be called a science. I'm actually 99% sure that Psychologists only manage to stay in a living because they are able to take common problems during childhood and turn them into big, scary afflictions. Screw Psychology.
I guess stuff like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, dissociative identity, and chronic depression are all silly things too, right? After all, it can't hurt much to have a condition where you're not even sure if the world around you is real. ::)
Oh, and marketing psychology must be silly too! I mean, building an analysis of what your consumer base thinks is just a waste of time, correct? Your line of thought is a prime example of why many TV executives fail so hard at their job.
Vista vs. XP and Formatting Your Computer!
author=GreatRedSpirit link=topic=3161.msg62277#msg62277 date=1234848718
True enough, but I see it as cutting down one more attack vector that can be used. UAC isn't going to protect from most malicious software but its still doing something to prevent certain types of attacks. (at least, until an exploit is found, patched, and a new one is found which is about as shocking as a can of pop exploding when left in the freezer)
Yeah. However, it is kind of silly to globally auto-accept prompts if you're already going through the trouble of keeping it on for the other features. That's like digging an underground passage to your castle while locking the main gate.
Vista vs. XP and Formatting Your Computer!
author=GreatRedSpirit link=topic=3161.msg62260#msg62260 date=1234844913
Situation 3: System compromised and IE is used to infect system
System gets compromised by a program that spawns a new IE process and use it to run code to get adware/viruses into protected areas of the system.
With UAC disabled: IE7 can do all this given the current user has sufficient access and it falls to hoping that the antivirus will catch this before it gets into the gears
With UAC enabled: IE7 will be in protected mode irregardless of current user access level and any attempt to write to a protected area is not allowed. No prompts are generated as being in protected mode IE7 shoots down any attempts at getting admin access right away.
That's one method out of many, many others, which an attacker could use to get bad things onto someone's computer. Not all malware goes through IE to run themselves.
Also, it's entirely possible to bypass this security measure anyway, as evidenced by the growing number of Vundo and Smitfraud infections out there. There's a new Deluxe Windows Antispyware 2010 coming out every other week, and they somehow manage to get themselves onto computers through Protected Mode. I know this because I treat people's laptops which describe the conditions you specify: UAC on and IE7 being used. These are also the kind of people who need help saving Microsoft Word documents, so I'm sure they didn't randomly disable UAC and reenable it.
As a side note, the only effective way to prevent browser-based attacks is to use discretion, as well as a Javascript filter of some sort. Like Firefox's NoScript.
Vista vs. XP and Formatting Your Computer!
author=GreatRedSpirit link=topic=3161.msg62214#msg62214 date=1234838806
Auto accepting all UAC prompts is different than disabling it because the prompt is only part of the security measures that make up UAC. Auto accepting them does not disable all of the other security features which disabling the service would do.
You're assuming I'm speaking in literal terms. I am not. They are virtually similar to each other, as I will explain in two use-cases...
Microsoft's description of UAC: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc709691.aspx I'm not sure where you're getting at besides the fact that administrators do not get an administrator token on login. Which is passed through by the UAC prompts anyway on execution.
Situation 1: Program installation with the user's knowledge:
Imagine a user who has finished downloading a program, and that program contains embedded, hidden malicious software. The user does not know about this, however. He then runs the program, and the malicious software triggers UAC; however, because the UAC prompt was auto-accepted, the user realizes only too late that something in that program required core access to the system. When the program itself was only advertised to use functions that did not require administrator access. UAC might as well have been off at that point, because the malware now has a foothold in the unlucky victim's computer.
Situation 2: Program installation without the user's knowledge:
In this case, imagine another user visiting a website, and that website contained a destructive operating system attack of some kind (think Virtumonde and Smitfraud). The webpage launches code which auto-downloads some piece of malicious software onto the user's computer, and attempts to execute it without that user's knowledge; when it executes, it then triggers a UAC prompt. The UAC prompt is automatically accepted, however, and the malicious software is installed. The user knew that visiting websites on the Internet does not require administrator access, and would've otherwise clicked the Cancel button. However, because the prompt was auto-accepted, that user is now screwed with no way out.
My point is, auto accepting all UAC prompts is virtually similar to turning off UAC, because the prompt is all that bars something from executing and totalling a hapless user's computer. Why even bother having the prompts on, when you're just going to end up clicking OK all the time?
Vista vs. XP and Formatting Your Computer!
author=myersguy link=topic=3161.msg62190#msg62190 date=1234833209
Well, I am going to have at it again. I found several complaint threads about this specific laptop and it's vista issues, and some of them had some drivers. What I know I have now are: 2 sets of drivers for video card, a set for sound, and a set for internet.
As far as I know, those were really the only problems I was having, so hopefully it now works.
The reason there are so many complaints is because, as it turns out, the original laptop (I guess mine is refurbished) only contains 512mb of ram. Thats right. They chose to run Vista on a single core celeron 1.6 with 512mb of ram. Idiots! I assume their decision was fueled by the crowd of people going "ooh, vista, I want to try that!".
Anyways, I will post again after formatting. For now, I think I will play some garrys mod first!
If you have a Vista CD, you could try using vLite. If not, see if a friend has one, with the specific edition you have mind you. With any other edition besides the one you got, your product key will not work.
Vista vs. XP and Formatting Your Computer!
author=GreatRedSpirit link=topic=3161.msg62098#msg62098 date=1234804694
No. Confirming that an application needs admin privliges to continue is part of UAC. Auto accepting still gives the security benefits without the biggest issues people have with UAC (well, besides this performance issue I can't comment on)
Yes, but how does UAC confirm this raising of priveleges with the user? Through a UAC prompt. Auto-accepting all UAC prompts, in terms of security, is the same as disabling it altogether.
Unless you mean enabling only specific apps to bypass UAC, which is different.
Vista vs. XP and Formatting Your Computer!
author=GreatRedSpirit link=topic=3161.msg62040#msg62040 date=1234763714
Enable any UAC prompt to auto-accept but don't turn it off.
Except in a glorious interface decision the auto-accept is one of those impossible things to find (like most of the SMF features on this forum!
Auto-accepting all the confirmation dialogs doesn't make any sense. That would be almost exactly like turning the UAC off, except you just have more overhead and loading times now.
Vista vs. XP and Formatting Your Computer!
I work in a laptop helpdesk at my university, and we've had far more problems with Vista than XP. Mostly when it comes to the wireless network; Vista tries to search for an IPv6 address before trying IPv4, and that...does not work well. Especially when your university doesn't have an IPv6 DHCP server, and Vista just times out for no reason after failing it. We've had to resort to disabling IPv6 functionality on those computers just to get them online; otherwise, each user would have to repair their wireless adapter countless times in order to connect.
Like Shadowtext said, check to see if there are any XP drivers for your system, else you are shit out of luck. Keep in mind Vista has improved greatly over the years, and it's not a complete mess like it was before. However, the damage has been done I'd say...it will just become another distant nightmare, like Millenium Edition before it.
Like Shadowtext said, check to see if there are any XP drivers for your system, else you are shit out of luck. Keep in mind Vista has improved greatly over the years, and it's not a complete mess like it was before. However, the damage has been done I'd say...it will just become another distant nightmare, like Millenium Edition before it.
Torque Game Builder (mac)
I'll have to agree with WIP, based on my experience with the Torque Game Engine. If the Torque Game Builder is similar to how its 3D counterpart is designed, then you'll only end up with more trouble than you could handle. TorqueScript is a mess to code with, and you'd probably be better off with another solution (if available).
Your Own "WTF" Moments
Well...tonight I had mine when I rebooted my computer, following an uninstallation of my firewall. When the computer showed the first BIOS screen, nothing beyond the motherboard number/BIOS version/press DEL to enter setup/etc. showed up, and it froze for no apparent reason. I couldn't even enter the Setup. Naturally, I thought "fuck, my motherboard fried..." and rebooted several more times, each of them freezing the same way. After several minutes, I saw that my Sansa mp3 player was still plugged in; I thought to myself "how can a lone mp3 player stop my computer from booting?"
Then I unplugged my Sansa, and it started booting normally again. ???
So, what's your story of total random weirdness?
Then I unplugged my Sansa, and it started booting normally again. ???
So, what's your story of total random weirdness?
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